Comments on: Making Noise About “Quiet Recreation” In National Forests http://www.naturaloregon.org/2009/06/11/making-noise-about-quiet-recreation-in-national-forests/ Environmental News for Oregon and the Pacific Northwest. Fri, 03 Feb 2012 16:04:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Bob Kimball http://www.naturaloregon.org/2009/06/11/making-noise-about-quiet-recreation-in-national-forests/comment-page-1/#comment-1384 Bob Kimball Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:09:20 +0000 http://www.naturaloregon.org/?p=1593#comment-1384 I agree whole heartedly with Ryan Schutt. Those of you who are so eager to fight any use of the forest that you don't personally do, should take a step back and learn from history. Who will be next? will it be the ranchers who can no longer buy grasing permits? Will it be wood cutters who can no longer cut dead wood to heat their homes [ while making the forest safer by reducing the fuel load I might add ]? Or maybee it will be the backpacker who will no longer be allowed to camp in the open forest. Feel free to add any other forest use that you may choose. But rest assured that it will be one of them because history shows that when you are willing to give up one freedom without a fight, you will have to fight that much harder to keep the next and you will have lost a valuable ally in that fight. Lets stick together and stay FREE. I agree whole heartedly with Ryan Schutt. Those of you who are so eager to fight any use of the forest that you don’t personally do, should take a step back and learn from history. Who will be next? will it be the ranchers who can no longer buy grasing permits? Will it be wood cutters who can no longer cut dead wood to heat their homes [ while making the forest safer by reducing the fuel load I might add ]? Or maybee it will be the backpacker who will no longer be allowed to camp in the open forest. Feel free to add any other forest use that you may choose. But rest assured that it will be one of them because history shows that when you are willing to give up one freedom without a fight, you will have to fight that much harder to keep the next and you will have lost a valuable ally in that fight. Lets stick together and stay FREE.

]]> By: Ryan Schutt http://www.naturaloregon.org/2009/06/11/making-noise-about-quiet-recreation-in-national-forests/comment-page-1/#comment-350 Ryan Schutt Wed, 08 Jul 2009 02:31:42 +0000 http://www.naturaloregon.org/?p=1593#comment-350 I have been riding in areas from my childhood that are now blocked off. There was no more damage done to the area than a low use forest service road and the woods and scenery all stayed in tact. Now I see them getting blocked only later to see they have been logged and basically destroyed from how they used to be. It's funny how BLM and forest service will shut down the woods for basically no damage but will log the place to the ground next week for the quick cash. I often see groups eager to shut down the woods even to responsible ORV use. Keeping jeeps off trails etc... Now there is virtually no place to ride except in tight areas that are crowded. The woods are already shut down and we will never get that access back. Not only does it shut down my access but yours as well. I guess your happiness comes at my expense or at least this seems to be the common idea that sites like this express. Why would you put ban them as a choice because basically you don't ride and you don't care about other people. I would not ban you from accessing the woods. Why don't you do something much more logical and share the woods giving everyone whom pays taxes the fare right to use the resource. My sticker money now goes to building hiking trails for you then you turn around and want to ban me. Why not build responsible use ORV trails. It's typical for environmentalist to go all the way black or white in thought process unfortunately it is also archaic thinking that in the long run reduces all our freedoms. I have been riding in areas from my childhood that are now blocked off. There was no more damage done to the area than a low use forest service road and the woods and scenery all stayed in tact. Now I see them getting blocked only later to see they have been logged and basically destroyed from how they used to be. It’s funny how BLM and forest service will shut down the woods for basically no damage but will log the place to the ground next week for the quick cash. I often see groups eager to shut down the woods even to responsible ORV use. Keeping jeeps off trails etc… Now there is virtually no place to ride except in tight areas that are crowded. The woods are already shut down and we will never get that access back. Not only does it shut down my access but yours as well. I guess your happiness comes at my expense or at least this seems to be the common idea that sites like this express. Why would you put ban them as a choice because basically you don’t ride and you don’t care about other people. I would not ban you from accessing the woods. Why don’t you do something much more logical and share the woods giving everyone whom pays taxes the fare right to use the resource. My sticker money now goes to building hiking trails for you then you turn around and want to ban me. Why not build responsible use ORV trails. It’s typical for environmentalist to go all the way black or white in thought process unfortunately it is also archaic thinking that in the long run reduces all our freedoms.

]]> By: Stan Van Velsor http://www.naturaloregon.org/2009/06/11/making-noise-about-quiet-recreation-in-national-forests/comment-page-1/#comment-349 Stan Van Velsor Mon, 06 Jul 2009 18:37:02 +0000 http://www.naturaloregon.org/?p=1593#comment-349 Dear Ken, The Wilderness Society submitted comments on the Sierra Travel Management Draft Environmental Impact Statement. If you would like to discuss our comments, please give me a call at 415-398-1111. Sincerely, Stan Van Velsor Dear Ken,

The Wilderness Society submitted comments on the Sierra Travel Management Draft Environmental Impact Statement. If you would like to discuss our comments, please give me a call at 415-398-1111.

Sincerely,

Stan Van Velsor

]]> By: Ken Gregory http://www.naturaloregon.org/2009/06/11/making-noise-about-quiet-recreation-in-national-forests/comment-page-1/#comment-345 Ken Gregory Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:30:37 +0000 http://www.naturaloregon.org/?p=1593#comment-345 HELP!! I'm in central California and it seems I'm fighting my own battle over our Travel Management... in the Sierra National Forest. I can't find any organizations here to help me rid our forest of the mess and the noise and the disrespect that many OHV users perpetrate. There are fundamental issues, such as NO comments about noise. And use of public funds to solicit only comments from proponents of OHV use. No single effort was made to get input from those who oppose destruction of our forests. Please send me some names of caring organizations in my area. Thanks, Ken HELP!! I’m in central California and it seems I’m fighting my own battle over our Travel Management… in the Sierra National Forest.
I can’t find any organizations here to help me rid our forest of the mess and the noise and the disrespect that many OHV users perpetrate.
There are fundamental issues, such as NO comments about noise. And use of public funds to solicit only comments from proponents of OHV use. No single effort was made to get input from those who oppose destruction of our forests.
Please send me some names of caring organizations in my area.
Thanks, Ken

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